MEDIAdeluge: MEDIAdeluge - Twitter Killer... Or, is Twitter Already Dead?
webwright
· 1 year ago
Hrm, seems early to make such a declaration. I've heard rumors that Twitters API traffic is 20x plus their web traffic, so if that were reflected on your compete graph the distance FriendFeed has to eat up is pretty daunting. I've seen lots of complaint but I've yet to see a single person that i actively follow jump ship (tho a few people are fiddling with Plurk).
In the meantime, FriendFeed is listening to their users... But there's always the big question in product development-- do you serve the users you have (power users) or do you build for the ones you DON'T? FriendFeed is getting complex (and powerful)... Last time I went, I was confused as hell.... It was from a link from Steve Rubel: http://friendfeed.com/search?q=who%3Asteverubel... - Why is the same article on the page 3 times? Baffling.
Twitter will stay simple, get things solid, and win the day!
christiananderson
· 1 year ago
Thanks, Tony, for reading and the thoughtful comment. It is early, but that is the only time to make bold proclamations. hopefully i am wrong. I too have heard that the API numbers are off the chart, but its not the nearness of FriendFeed in users that worries me for Twitter (I'm not sure FF can ever blow up and go mainstream the way Twitter seems to be). What makes me think Twitter could be dead already is the shallowing of the curve.
With the every early adopter Influential on the planet already on Twitter and pubs like BW (http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/...) writing about Twitter, i would expect the growth curve to be getting steeper, not shallower.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Twitter fan. I'm even quoted in the BW story raving about Twitter.
I want Twitter to succeed, but with its continued downtime prompting TechCrunch and others to write about Twitter being up (http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/06/twitter-su...) is one more indicator that Twitter may be beyond the point of no return.
christiananderson
· 1 year ago
Related comments from FriendFeed resulting from my Tweet on the subject:
Duncan Riley, Steve Rubel, Leo Laporte, Robert Scoble, and others weigh in...
Blaming Twitter for scaling in popularity beyond the tolerance of its architecture seems somewhat foolish. They are working on the problem. Wait and see if they do fix it before you pass judgement on the service. Blaming Twitter for scaling in popularity beyond the tolerance of its architecture seems somewhat foolish. They are working on the problem. Wait and see if they do fix it before you pass judgement on the service.
@jillmwo I'm not blaming Twitter for its problems scaling, although, people are speculating as to why it has been such a big and ongoing problem. For Twitter, the day is fast approaching where the community will look elsewhere. My contention is that it already has. Sure people will stay on Twitter in the short term, but only until a critical mass of the community aggregates somewhere else. that is part of the reason Plurk is getting so much attention and why people are trying to make FriendFeed work a bit more like Twitter. The above post was not about blaming Twitter for its lack a scalability. it was about the community leaving because of the lack of scalability.
Geek Mommy 20 hours ago
I don't necessarily agree that the community leaves due to lack of scalability - it's leaving because the scalability issues aren't being mitigated by a good Community Evangelist. While Twitter has upped their communication regarding their issues, the feeling that they're invested in not losing their users still isn't being communicated. A little effort in that regard goes a long way. I don't necessarily agree that the community leaves due to lack of scalability - it's leaving because the scalability issues aren't being mitigated by a good Community Evangelist. While Twitter has upped their communication regarding their issues, the feeling that they're invested in not losing their users still isn't being communicated. A little effort in that regard goes a long way.
Christiananderson 12 hours ago
Geek Mommy nails it. Twitter, we love you and don't want to leave you, but you seem to almost be pushing us away. just tell us what we want to hear and we'll stay... for a while. You're right, Twitter is in dire need of some communications counsel. They got a bit more transparent with the cause of the downtime and issues they were/are having, but that is not enough. Twitter, treat us like you like us. Tell us when you're having a problem, let us know what the plan is. reassure us. Geek Mommy nails it. Twitter, we love you and don't want to leave you, but you seem to almost be pushing us away. just tell us what we want to hear and we'll stay... for a while. You're right, Twitter is in dire need of some communications counsel. They got a bit more transparent with the cause of the downtime and issues they were/are having, but that is not enough. Twitter, treat us like you like us. Tell us when you're having a problem, let us know what the plan is. reassure us.
Willem 10 hours ago
Isn't it the way things go since the Twitter's primary community is made up of early adopters? New services more innovative keep making up the Web trends and though geeks keep it moving, testing, etc. Isn't it the way things go since the Twitter's primary community is made up of early adopters? New services more innovative keep making up the Web trends and though geeks keep it moving, testing, etc.
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In the meantime, FriendFeed is listening to their users... But there's always the big question in product development-- do you serve the users you have (power users) or do you build for the ones you DON'T? FriendFeed is getting complex (and powerful)... Last time I went, I was confused as hell.... It was from a link from Steve Rubel: http://friendfeed.com/search?q=who%3Asteverubel... - Why is the same article on the page 3 times? Baffling.
Twitter will stay simple, get things solid, and win the day!
With the every early adopter Influential on the planet already on Twitter and pubs like BW (http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/...) writing about Twitter, i would expect the growth curve to be getting steeper, not shallower.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Twitter fan. I'm even quoted in the BW story raving about Twitter.
I want Twitter to succeed, but with its continued downtime prompting TechCrunch and others to write about Twitter being up (http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/06/twitter-su...) is one more indicator that Twitter may be beyond the point of no return.
Duncan Riley, Steve Rubel, Leo Laporte, Robert Scoble, and others weigh in...
http://friendfeed.com/e/0b8e3aa0-11e2-e9d7-c4ea...
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Comments (6)
Jillmwo
1 day ago
Blaming Twitter for scaling in popularity beyond the tolerance of its architecture seems somewhat foolish. They are working on the problem. Wait and see if they do fix it before you pass judgement on the service.
Blaming Twitter for scaling in popularity beyond the tolerance of its architecture seems somewhat foolish. They are working on the problem. Wait and see if they do fix it before you pass judgement on the service.
Jacklhasa
1 day ago
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Christiananderson
23 hours ago
@jillmwo I'm not blaming Twitter for its problems scaling, although, people are speculating as to why it has been such a big and ongoing problem. For Twitter, the day is fast approaching where the community will look elsewhere. My contention is that it already has. Sure people will stay on Twitter in the short term, but only until a critical mass of the community aggregates somewhere else. that is part of the reason Plurk is getting so much attention and why people are trying to make FriendFeed work a bit more like Twitter. The above post was not about blaming Twitter for its lack a scalability. it was about the community leaving because of the lack of scalability.
Geek Mommy
20 hours ago
I don't necessarily agree that the community leaves due to lack of scalability - it's leaving because the scalability issues aren't being mitigated by a good Community Evangelist. While Twitter has upped their communication regarding their issues, the feeling that they're invested in not losing their users still isn't being communicated. A little effort in that regard goes a long way.
I don't necessarily agree that the community leaves due to lack of scalability - it's leaving because the scalability issues aren't being mitigated by a good Community Evangelist. While Twitter has upped their communication regarding their issues, the feeling that they're invested in not losing their users still isn't being communicated. A little effort in that regard goes a long way.
Christiananderson
12 hours ago
Geek Mommy nails it. Twitter, we love you and don't want to leave you, but you seem to almost be pushing us away. just tell us what we want to hear and we'll stay... for a while. You're right, Twitter is in dire need of some communications counsel. They got a bit more transparent with the cause of the downtime and issues they were/are having, but that is not enough. Twitter, treat us like you like us. Tell us when you're having a problem, let us know what the plan is. reassure us.
Geek Mommy nails it. Twitter, we love you and don't want to leave you, but you seem to almost be pushing us away. just tell us what we want to hear and we'll stay... for a while. You're right, Twitter is in dire need of some communications counsel. They got a bit more transparent with the cause of the downtime and issues they were/are having, but that is not enough. Twitter, treat us like you like us. Tell us when you're having a problem, let us know what the plan is. reassure us.
Willem
10 hours ago
Isn't it the way things go since the Twitter's primary community is made up of early adopters? New services more innovative keep making up the Web trends and though geeks keep it moving, testing, etc.
Isn't it the way things go since the Twitter's primary community is made up of early adopters? New services more innovative keep making up the Web trends and though geeks keep it moving, testing, etc.